>> Eric: WE HAVE A FULL SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.

PAUL DOUGLAS IS HERE WITH AN UPDATE ON DRY CONDITIONS AROUND THE STATE.

BIRDCHICK IS BACK WITH A LOOK AT FALL MIGRATION PATTERNS IN THIS WARM WEATHER.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT SAFETY IN DOWNTOWN ST. PAUL AS ART CRAWL BEGINS WITH A COMMUNITY MOURNING THE VIOLENT DEATH OF AN ARTIST.

>> Cathy: INDEED, WE START TONIGHT WITH WHAT WILL FILL MUCH OF OUR HOUR, POLITICS.

ON TUESDAY NIGHT VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES JD VANCE AND TIM WALZ SQUARED OFF IN NEW YORK IN WHAT IS LIKELY THE FINAL DEBATE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THIS FALL.

MARY LAHAMMER HAS THIS LOOK AT HOW THE V.P.

DEBATE DIFFERED FROM THE TOP OF THE TICKET'S DEBATE.

>> MINNESOTA'S DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR TIM WALZ AND OHIO'S REPUBLIC SENATOR, JD VANCE.

>> WALZ INITIALLY SEEMED NERVOUS ABOUT THE FIRST QUESTION ON A GLOBAL CONFLICT.

>> IT'S CLEAR AND THE WORLD SAW IT ON THAT DEBATE STAGE A FEW WEEKS AGO A NEARLY 80-YEAR-OLD DONALD TRUMP TALKING ABOUT CROWD SIZES IS NOT WHAT WE NEED IN THIS MOMENT.

>> WHO HAS BEEN THE VICE PRESIDENT IN THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, AND THE SER ANSWER CAN YOUR RUNNING MATE, NOT MINE.

DONALD TRUMP HAS MADE THE WORLD MORE SECURE.

>> THERE IS A PAUSE, THERE IS A REALITY CHECK.

AND I THINK OF IT LIKE YOU AND I, LIKE I SED TO HAVE THAT PAUSE EVEN BEFORE A BIG RADIO SHOW OF ELECTION NIGHT, RIGHT?

NOW 30 YEARS LATER YOU DON'T.

THIS WAS THE LARGEST STAGE HE'D EVER BEEN ON.

>> OLSON HAS MODERATED SEVERAL GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE WITH WALZ.

>> TIM WALZ IS NOT A PERSON WHO LEARNS A CANNED ANSWER.

>> THERE WAS I THINK A PLANNED ZINGER THAT I DON'T THINK LANDED.

>> NO, IT DIDN'T LAND.

ISSUES HE'S COMFORTABLE ABOUT HE'S GOING TO BE FINE.

>> DISASTER RESPONSE WAS MORE IN THE GOVERNOR'S WHEELHOUSE.

VANCE WAS READY ON IMMIGRATION.

>> WHEN SHE CAME INTO OFFICE SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO DO THIS.

REAL LEADERSHIP WOULD BE SAYING I SCREWED UP, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO DONALD TRUMP'S IF BORDER POLICY.

>> TALKING ABOUT STORIES AND BRINGING ATTENTION TO THIS, THAT VILIFIED LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE LEGALLY, THERE'S CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS.

>> NOTED THAT GOVERNOR WALZ TOOK COPIOUS NOTES OFTEN PUTTING HIS HEAD DOWN TO RIGHT, IN CONTRAST TO ADVANCES' STYLE.

>> THE RULES WERE YOU WEREN'T GOING TO FACT CHECK ME.

>> YOUR MICS ARE CUT.

>> BOTH HAD TO DEFEND DISCREPANCIES IN THEIR RECORDS.

>> I'VE NOT BEEN PERFECT, I WILL TALK A LOT, I WILL GET CAUGHT UP IN THE RHETORIC AND I WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT SUMMER AND I ISSPOKE.

>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE WAY THEY ASKED IT THAT CAUGHT HIM OFF GUARD.

IT WAS A SIMPLE ANSWER AND HE COULDN'T DELIVER IT ON THREE TRIES UNTIL THE END.

>> TRUMP DELIVERED FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

A LOT OF THINGS FRANKLY I DIDN'T THINK HE'D BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON.

WHEN YOU SCREW UP, MISSPEAK, WHEN YOU GET SOMETHING WRONG AND CHANGE YOUR MIND YOU OUGHT TO BE HONEST WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT IT.

IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, MARGARET, WHY I'VE DONE SO MUCH INTERVIEWS.

>> AND VANCE, YOU NEED TO CLARIFY HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT TRUMP, DO YOU THINK HE DID BETTER ON THAT?

>> I THINK HE DID BETTER BUT I DON'T THINK HE DID WELL.

>> SENATOR VANCE SAID TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

IN MINNESOTA WE RESTORED ROE V. WADE, WE MADE SURE WE PUT WOMEN IN CHARGE OF THEIR HEALTH CARE.

WE TRUST WOMEN, WE TRUST DOCTORS.

>> MY PARTY WE'VE GOT TO DO SO MUCH BETTER OF A JOB AT EARNING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S TRUST BACK ON THIS ISSUE, WHERE THEY FRANKLY JUST DON'T TRUST US.

>> HERE, WALZ WAS MORE CONFIDENT AND AGGRESSIVE.

>> IT'S NOT THE CASE, IT'S NOT TRUE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

>> ABORTION I THOUGHT VANCE HUMANIZED IT MORE THAN ANY REPUBLICAN WHICH THEN ALLOWED GOVERNOR WALZ TO JUST GO TO PROJECT 2025, I STILL THINK THAT IS A COMPELLING ISSUE THIS YEAR.

>> GUN VIOLENCE PROVED PERSONALITY.

>> I GOT A 17-YEAR-OLD AND HE WITNESSED A SHOOTING AT A COMMUNITY CENTER PLAYING VOLLEYBALL.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOUR 17-YEAR-OLD WITNESSED A SHOOTING.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> APPRECIATE YOU SAYING SO.

>> CHRIST HAVE MERCY, IT IS AWFUL.

>> THEY BOTH HAD THOSE MOMENTS AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THE GRAVITY OF RECOGNIZING ELECTION RESULTS IS PROBABLY MORE IMPACTFUL ON THIS ELECTION THAN WHETHER OR NOT TIM WALZ WAS T TIANANMEN SQUARE 30 YEARS AGO.

>> WALZ' FUTURE, I HEAR SO MANY COMMENTATORS SAYING HE NEVER WANTS THE JOB, DOUBLE THAT?

>> I THINK HIS TEAM HAS ASPIRATIONS FOR HIM.

I THINK HE HAS ASPIRATIONS.

>> HE SAID JANUARY 6TH THE PROTESTERS OUGHT TO PROTEST PEACEFULLY.

WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 20TH?

JOE BIDEN WON AND DONALD TRUMP LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> THE ONLY PERSON THERE WAS MY SON AND HIS DOG WHO WAS RUSHED OUT CRYING BY STATE POLICE.

DID HE OSE THE 2020 ELECTION?

>> TIM, I'M FOCUSED ON THE FUTURE.

>> THAT IS A DAMNING NON-ANSWER.

>> DEMOCRACY AND PROTECTING DEMOCRACY AND HONORING PEOPLE'S VOTES IS A TOP HREE ISSUE THIS YEAR.

>> AGAIN?

>> AGAIN, IT IS A SWING VOTER ISSUE.

>> THIS APPEARED LESS PARTISAN THAN EXPECTED.

>> I ENJOYED TONIGHT'S DEBATE AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF COMMONALITY ON THESE THINGS, AND I THINK I HAVE A LOT IN COMMON WITH THE SENATOR.

>> ME TOO, MAN.

>> WE NEEDED TO TURN THAT PAGE NATIONALLY.

I THINKS THING I HEAR THE MOST FROM PEOPLE, WHY CAN'T WE BE MORE CIVIL.

AT LEAST PEOPLE SAW OPTIMISM IN THE DIALOGUE