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>> [ CHANTING ] >> THE PRESIDENT'S APPROVAL RATING PLUNGES AFTER NEARLY 100 DAYS IN OFFICE.

WE WILL DIVE INTO THE NUMBERS AND WHAT THEY MEAN.

> >> AND [ GUNFIRE ] ISRAEL STRIKES BEIRUT WHILE QATAR HERE'S A BIT OF PROGRESS FOR GAZA.

WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL AND HOW MUCH INFLUENCE DOES WASHINGTON REALLY HAVE?

I ASKED THE FORMER MIDEAST , DENNIS ROSS.

> >> THEN, PERSONHOOD.

THE PROFESSOR TELLS ME WHY SHE THINKS THE FRONTLINE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WILL BE FETUSES AND EMBRYOS .

> >> PLUS, HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE?

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IN LONDON, SITTING IN .

41% AND THAT IS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATING ACCORDING TO A NEW CNN POLL AS HE NEARS 100 DAYS IN OFFICE.

IT IS THE LOWEST NUMBER FOR ANY PRESIDENT AT THIS POINT DATING BACK TO AT LEAST DWIGHT D EISENHOWER.

IT IS A DROP FROM TRUMP SUPPORT JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION.

THE POLL FINDS THE PRESIDENT UNDERWATER AND SINKING ACROSS ALL MAJOR ISSUES HE THOUGHT TO ADDRESS DURING HIS TIME IN OFFICE.

MOST NOTABLY FOR HANDLING THE ECONOMY DOWN FIVE POINTS FROM A CAREER LOW OF 35%.

WILL THESE DECLINING RATINGS SPELL DOOM FOR THE PRESIDENT'S TERM OR ARE THEY JUST ONE MORE RIDE ON THE TRUMP ROLLER COASTER.

SUSAN, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

DONALD TRUMP THAT WE HAVE KNOWN HISTORICALLY PAYS CLOSE ATTENTION TO POLL NUMBERS.

HE SEEMS TO BE TAKING THESE POLL NUMBERS AND NOT JUST CNN, NEW YORK TIMES ACROSS THE BOARD, HE IS UNDERWATER WITH THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ON THE MAJORITY OF ISSUES THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THEM.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HIS DISMISSIVE AND I WOULD JUST SAY, NOT VERY CONCERNED AT THIS POINT, REACTION, THUS FAR?

>> THE POLLS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS ALWAYS CARED ABOUT THE MOST DURING THIS EXTRAORDINARY NINE- YEAR RIDE IN PUBLIC LIFE HAVE BEEN THE ONES OF HIS OWN REPUBLICAN PARTY.

HE HAS BEEN A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR THE BASE AS HE CALLS IT FOR THE RED AMERICA AND AT TIMES HAS ALMOST DEFINED THE ENEMY AS PART OF AMERICA THAT OPPOSES HIM AND SO , FOR HIM, IT WOULD BE LOSING SUPPORT AMONGST REPORT AND WOULD BE THE BIGGEST CRISIS, THAT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED , YET.

WE HAVE ENORMOUSLY STRONG SUPPORT FROM DONALD TRUMP AND OF COURSE, HE ALSO LIVES IN AN ECOSPHERE THAT IS LOUDER THAN EVER AMONG THE FAR RIGHT ALLIES AND SUPPORTERS.

HE IS STILL HEARING REAL POSITIVE SUPPORT THERE.

THEY HAVE ALMOST ROLLED OVER AS HE HAS USURPED MANY OF THE POWERS OF THE REPUBLICAN POWER SO THAT IS A KEY MOMENT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET BUT TRUMP CARES ABOUT THE MARKETS WE ALL KNOW HOW HE GROWS WHEN THE STOCK MARKET IS UP.

IT MUST PAIN HIM THAT HE IS GOING DOWN AS A RESULT OF HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES BUT I THINK FOR TRUMP , IT IS HIS OWN TEAM THAT HE CARES THE MOST ABOUT.

>> AND YOU'RE RIGHT THAT PARTISAN VIEWS OF TRUMP REMAIN POLARIZED, 86% OF THE REPUBLIC IS APPROVED THUS FAR, 93% OF DEMOCRATS ARE DISAPPEARING THOSE DISAPPROVING BUT HIS POLL NUMBERS HAVE GONE DOWN AND WHAT SHOULD BE CONCERNING PERHAPS TO EVEN REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS IS THAT A LOT OF THESE POLICIES FROM TARIFFS TO EVEN BORDER ISSUES AND IMMIGRATION HAVE YET TO BE FULLY IMPLEMENTED .

DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN WITHIN THIS WHITE HOUSE IN THE MONTHS TO COME SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE ECONOMY AND INCREASING RED BLINKING LIGHTS ABOUT A LOOMING RECESSION?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT IS VERY NOTABLE THAT YOU ARE HERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS IT HITS THE 100 DAY MARK.

TALKING A LOT MORE ABOUT IMMIGRATION AS THEY SEE AS CERTAINLY THE MOST MOTIVATING ISSUE FOR HIS SUPPORTERS.

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND IT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND HOW THEY ARE GETTING RID OF THEM AND DEPORTING THEM FROM THE COUNTRY MORE THAN THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE UNCERTAINTY SURROUNDING THE U. S. AND THE GLOBAL ECONOMY RIGHT NOW AS A RESULT OF THAT " LIBERATION DAY POLICIES. "

IT IS VERY NOTABLE I THINK THAT HE IS POLLS REALLY STARTED TO GO SOUTH AS SOON AS HE MADE THAT MARQUEE SPEECH ON APRIL 2nd.

HIS " LIBERATION DAY. "

AND IT IS HARD TO SEE HIM REALLY CUTTING BACK GIVEN THAT TERMS ARE PROBABLY HIS ONLY FIXED PRINCIPLES FOR A MAN WHO HAS BEEN VERY VALUABLE WHEN IT COMES TO ALMOST ANY OTHER IDEOLOGICAL SUBJECT .

>> AND HE HAS BEEN A FAN OF TARIFFS GOING BACK DECADES FROM THIS TIME OF RUNNING HIS FAMILY BUSINESS AS WELL .

ON THE ISSUE OF INFLATION, APPROVAL FOR HIM IS DOWN NINE POINTS, 35 PERCENT ON TARIFFS, EVEN AS WE NOTED, IMMIGRATION OVERALL 45% APPROVED , DOWN SIX POINTS FROM MARCH .

LET'S JUST SOMETHING YOU AND I DISCUSSED A LOT AND THAT IS FOREIGN POLICY BECAUSE EVEN ON FOREIGN POLICY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE MAJORITY RESPONDENTS HERE UNHAPPY WITH HIS APPROACH TO THE WARS IN UKRAINE AND THE CLOSING OF MANY FOREIGN AID PROGRAMS.

CAN I GET YOU TO RESPOND TO THIS LATEST BACK-AND-FORTH BETWEEN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA ?

YOU SAW THE PRESIDENT MEETING WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY AT THE VATICAN IN ROME OVER THE WEEKEND AT THE FUNERAL FOR POPE FRANCIS WHERE HE CAME OUT AND REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME SUGGESTED I HAVE BEEN PLAYED ALL ALONG BY VLADIMIR PUTIN.

MAYBE HE DOESN'T WANT THIS WAR TO COME TO AN END.

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE VLADIMIR PUTIN ANNOUNCING THERE WILL BE A TEMPORARY PAUSE STARTING NEXT WEEK TO THE WAR .

DO YOU THINK THAT IS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO WHAT WE HEARD FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP?

>> YEAH, WHAT I REALLY STRUCK BY IS THAT A LOT OF THIS PROCESS IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL PEACE NEGOTIATIONS IN ANY NORMAL SENSE OF THE WORD BUT A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN DONALD TRUMP NEGOTIATED WITH HIMSELF AND OFFERING VLADIMIR PUTIN UNPROMPTED CONCESSIONS WHILE ASKING VERY LITTLE OR NOTHING OF RUSSIA AND PUTTING ENORMOUS PRESSURE ON ZELENSKYY, OUR ALLY.

ALL OF THAT REMAINS MURKY AND UNCLEAR, 100 DAYS IN, CLAIMING HE WOULD IN THE WAR BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE WITHIN 24 HOURS.

OBVIOUSLY, WHAT HE SEES IS VLADIMIR PUTIN AND ZELENSKYY AND UKRAINE RESISTING HIS EFFORTS TO DO THAT.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN THAT INDICATES HE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THE CONCESSIONS THAT TRUMP HAS OFFERED.

HE SEEMS TO BE INSISTING ON ALL OF THE MAIN POINTS THAT HE WAS INSISTING ON, FRANKLY, BACK IN JANUARY BEFORE TRUMP GOT INVOLVED IN THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE SO, RIGHT NOW, HOPES FOR A MEANINGFUL PEACE ARE DEAD AND EVEN THOSE EFFORTS OF A CEASE- FIRE THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOUR MONTHS HAVE NOT REALLY COME THROUGH.

THAT IS THE THING, RUSSIA HAS NOT GIVEN ANY EVIDENCE OF GOODWILL TO MAKE EVEN BABY STEPS TOWARD A PEACE DEAL AT THIS POINT .

>> AND THIS IS A CONFLICT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP RAN ON SAYING HE COULD BRING TO AN END ON DAY ONE AND OBVIOUSLY, HERE WE ARE APPROACHING THE 100 AND THE WAR CONTINUES JUST NOW , THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING OR AT LEAST ON ONE DAY ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT SO MANY EXPERTS HAVE BEEN STATING ALL ALONG , THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS IN NO RUSH TO END THIS WAR.

PERHAPS BUYING TIME FOR HIMSELF, I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY SOUND FROM SECRETARY OF STATE MARCO RUBIO FROM OVER THE WEEKEND BECAUSE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE HAVE HEARD BOTH THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE VICE PRESIDENT WORN THAT IF THERE IS A RESOLUTION TO THIS WAR ANYTIME SOON, THE UNITED STATES IS OUT IS WHAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE SAID JUST YESTERDAY.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY CRITICAL WEEK, A VERY IMPORTANT WEEK IN WHICH WE HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS AN ENDEAVOR THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN OR IF IT IS TIME TO FOCUS ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE EQUALLY IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME CASES BUT WE WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.

THERE ARE REASONS TO BE OPTIMISTIC BUT THERE ARE REASONS TO BE REALISTIC.

WE ARE CLOSE BUT WE ARE NOT CLOSE ENOUGH .

>> HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THAT STATEMENT, THAT THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL WEEK?

WHAT MAKES THIS WEEK DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST 3+ YEARS OF THE WAR?

>> NOTHING EXCEPT DONALD TRUMP IS DESPERATE TO SHOW THAT HE HAS MADE ANY PROGRESS AND I WOULD NOTE THAT THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT TONE THAT WE HEARD FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE PREVIOUSLY UNTIL HE ENTERED THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION , SL CLAIMS WILL PORTER OF UKRAINE BUT THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT TONE THAN JUST A FEW DAYS AGO BEFORE HE WENT TO THE VATICAN AND WAS SEEING NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT THIS WAS TRUE.

WE HAVE A DEAL WITH RUSSIA AND IT IS JUST UKRAINE HAS PROVEN MORE DIFFICULT SO THAT JUST TELLS YOU THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PUFFERY,.

NUMBER TWO, THE TERM HAS BEEN DICTATING A LOT OF THIS IS DONALD TRUMP'S OWN POLITICAL TIME BACK HERE IN WASHINGTON TO SHOW SOME RESULTS AND NUMBER THREE, WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS THIS APPARENT THREAT TO WALK AWAY FROM THE TABLE THAT YOU HEARD FROM RUBIO AND BASS AND OTHERS , MY GUESS IS THAT MANY SUPPORTERS OF UKRAINE WOULD BE KIND OF RELIEVED TO HAVE DONALD TRUMP WITH HIS SORT OF BULLYING AND BLUSTER:AWAY A LITTLE BIT IF , THAT IS, THAT THE U. S. CONTINUES MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE SUPPORT ESPECIALLY UKRAINE CONTINUES.

THEY HAVE NOT SPECIFIED WHAT WALKING AWAY WOULD MEAN AND SO FOR ME, THAT IS A BIG QUESTION MARK.

DOES WALKING AWAY MEAN WALKING AWAY OR LEAVING THE STATUS QUO OTHERWISE UNTOUCHED OR DOES IT MEAN ACTUALLY WALKING AWAY IN A CONCRETE AND SPECIFIC WAY FROM UKRAINE, AS WELL?

>> AND THAT IS A BIG QUESTION, ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE AND WEAPONS TO UKRAINE?

WE SAW THEM PAUSE BOTH EARLIER THIS YEAR .

AND IT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS WALKING AWAY FROM WHAT.

QUICKLY SOMETHING ELSE THAT SECRETARY RUBIO SAID IN THOSE COMMENTS TO ME THE PRESS, HE SAID WE COULD ACTUALLY WALK AWAY FOR ISSUES AND FOCUS ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE EQUALLY IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT .

I WOULD ASSUME THAT IS RELATED TO FOREIGN POLICY.

WE SEE ANOTHER ROUND OF TALKS WITH IRAN .

IS THIS SORT OF THE NEXT BIG ISSUE THE PRESIDENT IS HOPING TO RESOLVE WITHIN HIS FIRST FEW MONTHS IN OFFICE?

>> I THINK THAT TRUMP OPENING UP THESE TALKS WITH IRAN WAS A BIT OF A SURPRISE CERTAINLY WAS SOME OF HIS MORE TRADITIONAL HAWKERS REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS.

THEY WERE DISMAYED, FRANKLY .

AND MANY OF THEM SEE THIS AS A SORT OF BETRAYAL BUT PUTTING MICROBIOLOGIST HAD ON, I WOULD SAY THIS IS DONALD TRUMP OUT THERE IN SEARCH OF ANY BIG DEAL.

TRUMP HAS MADE NO SECRET OF HIS DESIRE TO CLAIM A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR REMEDIATING AND BROKERING SOME DEAL .

SO FAR, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY BIG , BEAUTIFUL DEALS TO WRITE ABOUT.

WE REMEMBER IN HIS FIRST TERM OF OFFICE THAT HE WAS SO EAGER FOR A DEAL THAT HE CLAIMED HE HAD MANAGED TO DENUCLEARIZE NORTH KOREA AND IT WAS THE BIGGEST AND MOST IMPORTANT DEAL EVER.

OF COURSE, NOT ONLY WAS THERE NO DEAL BUT NO NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FORTHCOMING FROM THAT, EITHER .

SO I THINK THAT IRAN TALKS, MAYBE HE WILL GO BACK BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS.

YOU MIGHT RESTART TALKS WITH NORTH KOREA.

>> THERE ARE REPORTS ON THAT, YES.

>> LEGACY, EXACTLY .

>> NOT EVEN 100 DAYS IN AND A LOT TO COVER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US .

>> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

> >> ISRAEL STRUCK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTHERN BAY WHO DOSE BEIRUT ON SUNDAY.

IT IS ANOTHER CRACK IN THE CEASE-FIRE WHICH HAS LARGELY HELD SINCE NOVEMBER.

MEANWHILE, IN GAZA, THERE HAS BEEN A BIT OF PROGRESS TOWARD A CEASE-FIRE, THERE, BUT NOTHING DECISIVE.

THE UN SAYS IT HAS RUN OUT OF FOOD DUE TO THE ONGOING BLOCKADE.

WHAT IS BENJAMIN NETANYAHU'S ULTIMATE GOAL AND WHAT INFLUENCE CAN THE U. S. EXERT.

THE AMBASSADOR IS A TOP DIPLOMAT WORKING CLOSELY ON THE PEACE PROCESS AND WIDER ISSUES.

HIS MOST RECENT BOOK IS STATECRAFT 2.

0 WHICH EXPLORES THE WAY AMERICA HAS OFTEN FAILED TO ALIGN ITS FOREIGN POLICY GOALS AND ACTIONS.

AMBASSADOR ROSS, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

WE WILL GET TO YOUR BOOK IN JUST A MOMENT BUT I AM SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO LISTEN TO MY CONVERSATION WITH SUSAN GLASSER AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY WHERE THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO BE QUICK TO MAKE SOME SORT OF DEAL IN RESOLVING A NUMBER OF THESE CONFLICTS GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD .

HE SEEMS TO NOW BE QUESTIONING VLADIMIR PUTIN'S LONG-TERM INTENT .

AND, ON THE ISSUE OF ISRAEL, HE HASN'T SPENT MUCH TIME DISCUSSING THE WAR IN GAZA, EITHER.

HE CAME INTO THIS ADMINISTRATION AND IS TERM DEMANDING THAT ALL OF THE HOSTAGES BE RELEASED AND THAT THIS WILL COME TO AN END.

HERE WE ARE 100 DAYS IN.

THE HUSBAND JUST REMAIN IN GAZA .

THE BLOCKADE CONTINUES .

WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF ANY LEVERAGE THAT HE IS PUTTING ON PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU, SPECIFICALLY , TO GET THESE RESULTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?

>> I THINK IT IS A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE YOU COULD ALSO SAY IN YOUR INTERVIEW WITH SUSAN, SUSAN WAS MAKING THE POINT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE PRESIDENT EXERT ANY REAL LEVERAGE ON VLADIMIR PUTIN.

AND WE ALSO HAVE NOT SEEN HIM ASSERT ANY LEVERAGE ON BENJAMIN NETANYAHU AND THE SERVICE OBJECTED THAT THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WANTED WHICH IS TO BRING THIS WORK QUICKLY TO AN END.

THE QUESTION I THINK QUICKLY BECOMES DOSE WE HAD AN INTERESTING INDICATOR OF HOW THE PRESIDENT APPROACHES BENJAMIN NETANYAHU .

ON THE ONE HAND, IT IS VERY SUPPORTIVE, RHETORICALLY.

ON THE OTHER HAND, HE HASN'T IN THE OVAL OFFICE OSTENSIBLY TO TALK ABOUT TARIFFS ALTHOUGH CLEARLY, THE REAL REASON WAS TO TALK ABOUT IRAN.

HE SURPRISES THE PRIME MINISTER IN THAT MEETING BY ANNOUNCING HE'S GOING TO HAVE DIRECT TALKS WITH IRAN THE FOLLOWING SATURDAY.

WHEN THE ISSUE OF TARIFFS COMES UP, HE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT HE IS NOT DOING ANYTHING AND IN THAT REGARD, HE REMINDS EVERYONE THAT WE PROVIDE ISRAEL $4 BILLION A YEAR AND A NOT-SO- SUBTLE SIGNAL THAT SUGGESTS WE ARE DOING PLENTY FOR YOU.

DON'T EXPECT US TO GIVE YOU A BREAK ON THIS SO HERE, HE IS SIGNALING THAT HE WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

HE IS NOT NECESSARILY APPLYING OVER POLITICAL PRESSURE BUT THERE IS A SUBTLE MESSAGE, THERE , THAT IMPLIES PRESSURE AND I WOULD EVEN SAY, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS INTERVIEW IN TIME MAGAZINE, THE PRESIDENT'S INTERVIEW, HE SAYS ABOUT IRAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, I DID NOT MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE MEANING I DID NOT MAKE THE ISRAELIS COMFORTABLE.

I DID NOT WAVE OFF THEIR STRIKE BUT I DID NOT MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE SO THESE ARE ALL INDICATIONS THAT, IN FACT, HE MIGHT BE PREPARED TO EXERCISE BUT TO THE ESSENCE OF YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT YET AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE NOT IT IN GAZA THOUGH IN THAT MEETING WITH NETANYAHU, HE SAID HE EXPECTED THE WAR TO END BACK SOON AND THAT HE'S HAD IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT FUTURE SO THAT IMPLIES SOMETHING COULD BE COMING BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.

>> AND HIS MOST RECENT MEETING IN THE OVAL OFFICE BETWEEN NETANYAHU AND THE PRESIDENT OBJECTIVELY WAS VIEWED AS AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.

AFTER THAT TO THEIR MEETING PRIOR WHERE IT APPEARED FROM REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD MOMENTS BEFORE ADDRESSING REPORTERS STATED THAT IT WAS THE UNITED STATES INTENT OF TAKING OVER GAZA AND REBUILDING IT .

PERHAPS, EVEN DISPLACING PALESTINIANS, D. A. R. E. , IN GAZA.

AS WE KNOW, AS WE REPORTED, THIS WAR CONTINUES, THE BLOCKADE CONTINUES, AS WELL.

PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS JUST ASKED ABOUT CONDITIONS OVER THE WEEKEND AND HERE IS WHAT HE SAID.

>> GAZA CAME UP AND I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO BE GOOD TO GAZA, THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.

WE GOT TO BE GOOD TO GAZA, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

THERE IS A NEED FOR MEDICINE AND WE ARE TAKING CARE OF IT .

>> IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE WHY PEOPLE MAY BE PUZZLED TO HEAR TWO VERY DIFFERENT POINTS AS IT RELATES TO GAZA.

YOU ARE STILL PLUGGED IN WITH MANY IN THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

HOW ARE THEY INTERPRETING THIS?

>> I THINK THEY ARE INTERPRETING IT AS THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING AS IT RELATES TO THE HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE .

IT IS INTERESTING THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE UP UNTIL NOW BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION HAD NOT BEEN SUGGESTING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAD TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY.

THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS PREPARING A PLAN FOR HOW IT WOULD PROVIDE SECURITY NOT FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF ASSISTANCE BUT FOR THE SECURITY OF AREAS WHERE THE ASSISTANCE MIGHT BE GOING AND WHERE THE THIRD COUNTRY GROUPS PRESUMABLY SOME KIND OF SECURITY CONTRACTORS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY DISTRIBUTING THE ASSISTANCE .

THERE IS A LOT OF RESISTANCE WITHIN THE FAR RIGHT WING OF THE CURRENT COALITION, THE GOVERNMENT BUT IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT'S THE PRIME MINISTER, NETANYAHU, WILL NOT SAY NO TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS WE WILL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT IN TERMS OF FOOD AND WATER, IT MEANS TO ME THAT NETANYAHU WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER AND HE WILL HAVE TO BASICALLY JUSTIFY IT WITH THOSE THAT THIS IS WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP REQUIRES, WE CANNOT SAY NO TO HIM ON THIS BECAUSE HE GIVES US SO MUCH BACKING ON EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT WILL BE HIS EXCUSE FOR SOMETHING HE HAS PREVENTED SINCE THE END OF THE CEASE- FIRE, THE RESUMPTION OF ISRAEL FIGHTING AND THE DENIAL OF ANY HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE GOING IN.

THE EXPLANATION WILL BE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PUTTING ON HIM EXPLAINING HOW THEY WILL BE PROVIDING FOOD AND WATER .

>> WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING THAT THE FAMILIES OF THE HOSTAGES THAT REMAIN IN GAZA WANT TO ASSERT CONTINUED PRESSURE ON PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR THIS TO BE AT THE TOP OF HIS MIND AND AGENDA TO GET THIS RESULT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LONG , THE MAJORITY HAVE GIVEN UP ON THIS BEING A PRIORITY FOR BENJAMIN NETANYAHU AT THIS POINT AND NOT TO MENTION THE BLAYNE LYNE WITH HAMAS.

LET ME TURN TO THE TIME MAGAZINE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP WHERE HE ALSO SAID TALKING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST THAT HE IS PRETTY CONFIDENT OF SAUDI NORMALIZATION , IMMINENTLY.

HOW DO YOU READ THAT ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT SAUDI HAS SAID AS A PREREQUISITE THAT THE WAR IN GAZA HAS TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE THERE IS ANY TALK OF A NORMALIZATION ?

>> FROM THE SAUDI STANDPOINT, I WILL TELL YOU, THE ISSUE OF NORMALIZATION IS NOT ON THE TABLE AND AS YOU SAID, IT IS NOT ON THE TABLE AT LEAST UNTIL THE WAR IN GAZA IS OVER AND THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS OUT OF GAZA.

WHAT IT SAYS TO ME IS THAT THE PRESIDENT STILL HAS A SENSITIVE OBJECT.

HE STILL HAS A VERY AMBITIOUS DESIRE .

THIS NOTION OF HIM WANTING THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, IT IS NOT GOING TO COME FROM RUSSIA OR UKRAINE.

IT IS NOT GOING TO COME FROM IRAN .

THERE MAY BE A DEAL WITH IRAN BUT THERE WILL BE A FRAMEWORK DEAL.

IT WON'T BE A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL, THE COMPREHENSIVE DEAL WILL HAVE TO COME SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE SO IT BRINGS HIM BACK TO SAUDI NORMALIZATION, THE EXPANSION OF ABRAHAM, OF COURSE.

HERE, AGAIN, BRINGS WHAT YOU ARE RAISING ABOUT GAZA, WE MAY BE SEEING THE PRESIDENT MOVING TOWARD A POINT WHERE HE WILL EXERCISE MUCH MORE LEVERAGE ON THE PRIME MINISTER TO END THE WAR.

FOR A LONG TIME, THE ISRAELI MILITARY'S ATTITUDE HAS BEEN, "WE CAN END THE WAR SO THAT ALL OF THE HOSTAGES COME OUT. "

THAT SHOULD HAPPEN.

THERE IS NO WAY HAMAS WILL LIVE UP TO ANY DEAL THAT IS NEGOTIATED.

AND AT SOME POINT, HE WILL BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH HIM.

I THINK WE WILL SEE DONNA DOES THAT NOT HAPPENING UNTIL THE PRESIDENT DECIDES HE NEEDS IT TO HAVE FOR A LARGER OBJECTIVE OF SAUDI ARABIA'S ISSUE.

THE ONE REAL PATHWAY TO A NOBEL PRIZE.

>> AND FINDING IT DIFFICULT AS EVERYONE HAD WARNED TO GET THE WAR IN UKRAINE TO RESULT.

YOU HAVE REPORTED ANY SORT OF TALKS WITH IRAN OVER A RENEWED DEAL AND THE PRESSURE ON PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TO MAKE THE STILL MUCH STRONGER AND TOUGHER THAN THE ONE HE TORE APART IN 2015, HE SPENT YEARS RIDICULING OBAMA.

AND HE IS WANTING TO RESTART TALKS WITH NORTH KOREA.

ALL OF THIS BRINGS ME TO YOUR BOOK BECAUSE THOSE WHO DEFEND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S APPROACH SAY, LISTEN, THE CONVENTIONAL WAY HAS NOT WORKED.

LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN GAZA WHEN HE HAD THE KING OF JORDAN, AND OFFER TO SIT WITH THE ARAB LEAGUE AND COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PROPOSALS.

HE IS A DISRUPTOR .

IT HAPPENED WITH SOMEONE LIKE SEAWARD COX, ALL OF THIS GETS PEOPLE MOVING AND WORKING TOWARD A SOLUTION.

WALK US THROUGH YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT AND HOW IT RELATES TO WHAT DROVE YOU TO WRITE YOUR BOOK, NOW.

>> YOU MARY OBJECTIVES .

IT SEEMS OBVIOUS , WHY WOULD YOU ADOPT A POLICY ?

THE REASON WE FREQUENTLY DON'T IS BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THROUGH OUR OBJECTIVES IN A WAY THAT WE NEED TO.

WE DON'T ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS .

EITHER OUR STEAKS DON'T JUSTIFY THE KIND OF MEANS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OR THERE IS POLITICAL PRESSURES THAT GET US TO ADOPT CERTAIN OBJECTIVES OR WE SIMPLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING, HE STICKS OUT VERY AMBITIOUS OBJECTIVES .

STAKING OUT THOSE AMBITIOUS OBJECTIVES CAN CREATE PRESSURE ON OTHERS BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO ACHIEVE THOSE OBJECTIVES, SOONER OR LATER, YOUR LEVERAGE BEGINS TO DISSIPATE.

LEVERAGE IS A KEY .

IT IS NOT JUST YOU ARE MIRRORING OBJECTIVES BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP INCREASING LEVERAGE OR INFLUENCE ON OTHERS BECAUSE OF THE MEANS YOU HAVE ON YOUR OWN OR THE MEANS YOU CAN NOTIFY -- MOBILIZE FROM OTHERS, OTHERS EMBRACE YOUR OBJECTIVES BECAUSE OF YOUR SOFT POWER, OTHERS BECAUSE YOU TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND FROM THE INITIATIVE IN WAYS THAT OTHERS CAN ACCEPT AND FOLLOW .

THE PRESIDENT DOES A NUMBER OF THINGS BUT HE DOESN'T TEND TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON CREATING A KIND OF MARRIAGE OF HIS MEANS WITH THE OBJECTIVES.

HE DOESN'T USE THE SOFT POWER WE HAVE WHICH IS TO ATTRACT OTHERS.

HE DOESN'T TEND TO WRITE RELY ON RELIANCE IS --SO IT IS NOT THAT HE CAN DISRUPTED, IT IS NOT THAT HE CANNOT GET OTHERS TO RESPOND TO HIM BUT THEY WON'T RESPOND TO HIM OVERTIME AND LET STACY THAT HE ACTUALLY DELIVERS ON WHAT HE SAYS SO WHEN YOU OPEN UP A VERY BIG GAP IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOUR FRAMING IS YOUR OBJECTIVES AND WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DELIVER , WHAT THAT WILL DO OVERTIME IS INCREASINGLY DIMINISHED THE LEVERAGE HE HAS AND MAKE OTHERS LESS RESPONSIVE TO HIM.

ONE OF THE REASONS HE LEGITIMATELY NEEDS SUCCESS IS NOT JUST FOR REASONS HERE BUT TO CREATE CREDIBILITY ABOUT THE OBJECTIVES HE STAKES OUT.

IF YOU CAN SHOW HE IS ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THAT, THEN HE IS LIKELY TO CREATE RESPONSIVENESS AND LIKELY TO BUILD ON THE NEEDS HE HAS AND LIKELY TO DRAW OTHERS IN.

RIGHT NOW, HE NEEDS A SUCCESS FOR THAT AND RIGHT NOW, HE DOESN'T HAVE IT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE THE TIME.

> >> NEXT, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IN AMERICA.

AFTER THE OVERTURNING OF ROE VERSUS WADE, THE NATIONAL PICTURE OF ACCESS TO ABORTION REPRODUCTIVE CARE BECAME A LOT MORE COMPLICATED.

IN MISERY, VOTERS APPROVED A BALLOT INITIATIVE LAST YEAR THAT ENSHRINING REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION ONLY FOR REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS TO ATTEMPT TO UNDO THAT RESULT.

IN KENTUCKY, THE GOVERNOR VETOED A GOP BILL ON ABORTION ONLY FOR LAWMAKERS TO OVERRIDE HIS VETO.

AMIDST ALL OF THIS, THERE COULD BE A NEW PART BREWING.

IN HER NEW BOOK, PERSONHOOD, MARY ZIEGLER ARGUES THAT THE NEXT FRONTLINE OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WILL BE CENTERED ON FETUSES AND EMBRYOS.

SHE JOINS US LIVE TO EXPLAIN.

MARY, WALK US THROUGH WHAT HAD BEEN , PERHAPS, THE WRONG NARRATIVE AND TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN HAVEN'T BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE STATE LEGISLATORS AND THAT IS THE ASSESSMENT THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH THE CAR AND THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

THEY OVERPLAYED THEIR HAND AND NOW YOU HAVE A STRONG ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS TO RUN ON AND EMBOLDEN A LOT OF THEIR VOTERS.

WE ARE NOT EVEN SEEING ABORTION RIGHTS AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AS ONE OF THE DOMINANT ISSUES THAT AMERICANS CARE MOST ABOUT.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>> I THINK DUE TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, PRIMARILY, SINCE THE ROE VERSUS WADE, HAVE BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO CIRCUMVENT AND ALSO TO SOME EXTENT, THE ANTIABORTION, WE FORGOT WHAT IT WAS SO THE STATUS QUOTE IN THE UNITED STATES WHICH IS ONE IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN TRAVEL TO A DIFFERENT STATE TO GET AN ABORTION OR ABORTION PILLS ONLINE, I THINK MANY AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT WILL BE THE STATUS QUOTE FOREVER AND SO THE THAT IS THE REALITY AND SOMEONE CARES ABOUT ACCESS TO ABORTION OR ACCESS TO , THERE IS NO NEED TO PRIORITIZE BUT I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS DOING AND THE PRESSURE IT CAN EXERT ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I ALSO THINK IT MISSES RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE STATUS QUOTE COULD CHANGE PRETTY DRAMATICALLY .

>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE AS WE NOTED IN MISERY, THE TOTAL BAN OF ABORTIONS IN 2022, 2024.

AND THE FACT THAT I HAD MENTIONED IN THE INTRO THAT REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ARE PUSHING FOR A NEW CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO OVERTURN THAT RESULT, WHY DO THEY THINK THEY CAN BE VICTORIOUS HERE?

>> I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE ESSENTIALLY PLAYING WITH HOUSE MONEY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO LOSE.

MISERY LIKE MANY STATES IS UNDER SINGLE PARTY CONTROL.

THERE IS NO PARTISAN COMPETITION IN THE STATE LEGISLATOR FOR THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION , AT LEAST, IN THOSE STATE RACES SO REPUBLICANS ESSENTIALLY KNOW IF THEY FORCE VOTERS TO CONFRONT THIS ISSUE AGAIN, ONE OF TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN: EITHER REPUBLICANS WILL GET THEIR WAY AND VOTERS WILL ROLLBACK RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN ABORTION EXCEPTIONS NOW OR BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEW AMENDMENT DOES.

BUT EVEN IF THEY REJECT REPUBLICANS PLAY, THEY DON'T THINK THAT THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS SO ESSENTIALLY, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO GAIN FROM CATERING TO SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE DONORS AND ACTIVISTS WHO EXPECT THIS EVEN IF MISSOURI REJECTED IT .

>> TO YOUR POINT, YOU WROTE A PIECE IN MISSOURI AND AN OP-ED ON THE GOP MOVE , THERE, SPECIFIC TO MISSOURI AND YOU SAID IT PRESENTS ITSELF TO THE CENTER WHEN IT CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE NATION'S MOST SWEEPING CRIMINAL ABORTION LAWS.

WALK US THROUGH WHAT THAT MEANS .

>> SO, THE MISSOURI LAW ESSENTIALLY ASKS VOTERS TO SAY YES TO SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS.

FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU THINK THAT ABORTION SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN CASES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND INCEST IN THE FIRST 12 WEEKS OF PREGNANCY?

IT DOESN'T SAY, AND BY THE WAY, ARE YOU OKAY IF WE BAN ALL OF THE OTHER ABORTIONS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS LIST WHICH IS MORE OR LESS WHAT THE MISSOURI PROPOSAL WOULD DO TO AUTHORIZED LEGISLATURE TO DO.

THE EXCEPTIONS ARE VERY NARROW .

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE QUITE POSSIBLE FOR A VOTER WHO IS NOT REALLY PAYING THAT MUCH ATTENTION TO POLITICS IN AN OFF CYCLE ELECTED TO THINK THEY ARE GOING TO EXPAND EXCEPTIONS TO AN EXISTING BAN RATHER THAN REALIZING THEY ARE IN EFFECT AUTHORIZING A BAN.

>> REPUBLICANS FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THEY OVERPLAYED THEIR HAND.

AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY?

>> I THINK REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THEY HAVE MOTIVATED BASE OF SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES WHO WANT MORE , WHO ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH AN AMERICA WHERE ACCESS TO ABORTION DEPENDS ON YOUR GEOGRAPHY AND YOUR ZIP CODE AND ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THEY BELIEVE THAT OTHER VOTERS DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT COULD BE A MISCALCULATION BECAUSE VOTERS NOT CARING THE CONTINGENT ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES, NOW.

IF FOR EXAMPLE DONALD TRUMP WERE TO START USING THE COMSTOCK ACT TO START PROSECUTING DOCTORS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE RECEIVING ABORTION PILLS IN NEW YORK, I DON'T THINK THE REACTION WOULD BE ONE OF INDIFFERENCE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF REPUBLICANS ARE MISREADING THE MOMENT BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS DEEP CONVICTION AMONG CONSERVATIVES THAT THEY CAN PUSH FURTHER AND THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT THE ANTIABORTION ITSELF WAS NEVER ABOUT GETTING RID OF ROE VERSUS WADE .

>> IF DOING AWAY WITH THE REVERSAL WAS A WATERSHED MOMENT, YOU ARE ACTUALLY SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE , THERE IS MORE HERE AND THIS IS PART OF YOUR BOOK, PERSONHOOD, THE NEW CIVIL WAR OVER REPRODUCTION AND YOU ARE GOOD THAT THE REVERSAL WAS NEVER THE ANTIABORTION MOVEMENT ULTIMATE GOAL.

FROM ITS INCEPTION IN THE 1960S, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FETAL PERSONHOOD MOVEMENT .

YOU GO ON TO SAY THAT WE FAIL TO UNDERSTAND COMPLEX OVER REPRODUCTION IN THE UNITED STATES .

IF WE DISMISS THE ANTIABORTION MOVEMENTS PERSONHOOD ARGUMENT IS NOTHING BUT A STRATEGIC PLOY OR SICK PERSONHOOD IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ARGUMENT FOR BANNING ABORTION.

WHY IS THAT?

>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT FETAL PERSONHOOD IS SOMETHING THAT HAS MOBILIZED A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES FOR MORE THAN HALF A CENTURY EVEN WHEN IT WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

THE OTHER THING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

IT COULD MEAN A LOT OF THINGS.

LISTENERS ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF SOME OF THEM, EUROPE AND ASIA MADE OF CONSTITUTIONS SAYING LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION OR FETUSES HAVE RIGHTS BUT THE WAY IT HAS BEEN CONCEPTUALIZED BY THE US ANTIABORTION MOVEMENT IS THAT FETUSES HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT WOULD OVERRIDE THE ABILITY TO PROTECT ABORTION AND NOT JUST ABORTION BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD IMPLICATE THE RIGHTS OF FETUSES OR EMBRYOS LIKE IN VITRO FERTILIZATION SO THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER MOVEMENT IN THAT SENSE AND ALSO A MUCH BIGGER MOVEMENT IN THE SENSE THAT TO GET TO THIS ARGUMENT , YOU HAVE TO RETHINK IN THE BIGGER PICTURE WAY OF WHAT LIBERAL AND EQUALITY MEAN IN THE UNITED STATES FOR EVERYONE SO THIS IS A PRETTY AMBITIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL PROJECT THAT CONSERVATIVES ARE PURSUING THAT WOULD HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS ABORTION SEEKERS WHO WOULD NEVER PURSUE AN ABORTION AND NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PREGNANT, EITHER .

>> AND COULD THIS PREVAIL IN YOUR VIEW IN THE COURTS, TODAY?

THE SUPREME COURT?

>> IT IS NOT LIKELY TO PREVAIL, TODAY BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A FAMILIAR MOVIE FOR THOSE WHO FOLLOWED THE DEMISE OF ROE VERSUS WADE.

IT WAS OVERTURNED THREE OR FOUR YEARS AFTER ITS DECISION BUT HALF A CENTURY LATER AND THAT IS THE PLAYBOOK THAT ANTIABORTION ACTIVISTS ARE READING .

THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO ESTABLISH FETAL RIGHTS IN A VERY STEPWISE WAY AND STATE LAWS AND THINGS LIKE CHILD SUPPORT, WRONGFUL DEATH, STATE SUPREME COURTS AS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO AFTER ALABAMA ISSUED A RULING ON IVF IN 2024 AND THEY ARE TRYING TO BUILD A CASE USING THE DOCTRINES THAT CONSERVATIVE BLOGGERS IN THE UNITED STATES OFTEN TURNED TO THAT THEY CAN EVENTUALLY BRING TO A CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT .

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE OVERNIGHT BUT IT IS KIND OF THE NEXT ROE VERSUS WADE .

THE NEXT IS CONSERVATIVES TRYING TO TAKE THE DECISION OUT OF THE WATERS HANDS AND PLACE IT IN THE HANDS OF THE SUPREME COURT.

>> LET ME ASK YOU FINALLY TO WEIGH IN ON THE PRONATALIST MOVEMENT AND THEN RHETORIC WE ARE SEEING FROM SOME ELEMENTS OF THE RIGHT, ELON MUSK CONTINUES TO SAY AND X ESSENTIAL THREAD IN THE WORLD IS UNDER POPULATION AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH CHILDREN.

THIS HAS SORT OF BEEN PICKED UP NOW BY JD VANCE AND SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS.

DO YOU SEE THIS GAINING TRACTION?

>> POSSIBLY.

I THINK ONE OF THE LESSONS WE HAVE SEEN WITH DECLINING FERTILITY RATES IS THAT IT IS VERY HARD TO TACKLE THE ISSUE OR TO BE PRONATALIST IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.

IF YOU ARE SIMULTANEOUSLY MAKING IT LESS APPEALING FOR CHILDREN .

SO WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN ANY NUMBER OF COUNTRIES AND AS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS PURSUING THE AGENDA, IT IS ALSO EITHER CONSIDERING OR COSIGNING STATE LAWS THAT ARE MAKING IT MORE DANGEROUS TO BE PREGNANT MAKING IT MUCH HARDER TO GET TREATMENT FOR MISCARRIAGE, MAKING IT, I THINK, MUCH HARDER TO GET ACCESS TO CERTAIN FORMS OF ECCENTRIC AND GYNECOLOGICAL CARE AND POTENTIALLY THREATENING THE HEALTH OF THE ECONOMY THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BEAR A CHILD .

I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING THAT WE CAN DISAGREE BUT WE CAN AGREE THAT IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN AND TO MAKE IT INFINITELY HARDER TO RAISE A CHILD, YOU WILL NOT SEE THE EVENTS MOVE ON.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME .

> >> WITH EVERY NEW DIGITAL ADVANCEMENT COMES A NEW WAY TO IMPACT THE LIVES OF CHILDREN.

THE LATEST, METAS A. I.

DIGITAL COMPANION.

MARK ZUCKERBERG SAYS IT IS THE FUTURE OF SOCIAL MEDIA BUT NOW A NEW DOCUMENTARY EXPOSES THE REAL-LIFE CONSEQUENCES OF THESE KINDS OF TECHNOLOGIES.

THE FILMMAKER AND LAWYER JOIN US TO EXPLAIN YOUR .

>> THIS IS A DOCUMENTARY CALLED "CAN'T LOOK AWAY. "

WHY DID YOU WANT TO MAKE IT?

>> WHEN THE TOPIC WAS PROPOSED TO US, I THINK LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU SORT OF KNOW THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS BAD AND WHAT WE LEARNED THROUGH THE DISCOVERY PROCESS BEFORE WE STARTED FILMING IS THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT, THESE ARE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEY ARE DESIGNING THESE PLATFORMS TO KEEP OUR KIDS ON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE .

AND IN THE PROCESS, THEY ARE REALLY EXPORTING OUR KIDS AND THEY ARE DOING IT WITH INTENT SO THAT OUR KIDS STAY ON.

WE FELT THAT WAS A DOCUMENTARY THAT NEEDED TO BE TOLD.

>> HOW MANY MORE CHILDREN HAVE TO DIE ?

>> I FOUND MY SON'S LIFELESS BODY DUE TO FENTANYL POISONING.

THEY HAVE THE BEST DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN THE WORLD!

>> WE NEED TO TAKE BACK THE POWER FROM THESE COMPANIES.

>> THEY KNOW THE LEVEL OF ADDICTION.

THEY KNOW THE LEVEL OF SUICIDE.

>> MATT, HE STARTED THE SOCIAL MEDIA VICTIMS WALL CENTER COMMISSION AND YOUR COMPANY .

>> THE MISSION IS TO HOLD SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE AFTER THE CARNAGE THAT THEIR PLATFORMS ARE INFLICTING ON YOUNG PEOPLE NOT JUST IN THE UNITED STATES BUT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

THEY HAVE DESIGNED PLATFORMS THEY KNOW ARE ADDICTED TO YOUNG PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE PRIORITIZED ENGAGEMENT OVER SAFETY AND THE CHILDREN OF THE FAMILIES THAT YOU SEE IN THE DOCUMENTARY ARE THE VICTIMS OF THESE DELIBERATE DESIGN DECISIONS AND WE AIM TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND BECOME MORE RESPONSIBLE.

>> MATT MIGHT WORK WITH THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES.

YOU REALLY FOCUS INTO TELE- STORIES, THE TYPES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN ONE OF THE STORIES YOU TALK ABOUT IS A YOUNG BOY NAMED JORDAN DUMAIS .

CAN YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT THAT STORY IS ABOUT FOR OUR AUDIENCE?

>> JORDAN WAS A HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR IN MICHIGAN.

CAPTAIN OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM, THE HOMECOMING KING AND HE HAD DROPPED HIS GIRLFRIEND OFF .

WHEN HE CAME HOME, HE WAS ON INSTAGRAM SORT OF SWIPING THROUGH AND WAS DEEMED BY WHAT APPEARED TO BE A YOUNG GIRL PROBABLY NINTH OR 10th GRADE AND, EVENTUALLY, THEY WERE SHARING EXPLICIT PHOTOS .

AND VERY SOON THEREAFTER, WHAT APPEARED TO BE THIS YOUNG GIRL SAID TO HIM IN ADM, YOU GOT THREE HOURS TO PRODUCE $1000 AND PANICKED FULL ON .

HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON .

EVENTUALLY, WHAT HAPPENS, HE CAME BACK WITH $300 AND SHE SENT THAT PICTURE OUT AND THREATENED TO SEND THAT PICTURE OUT TO THE FOOTBALL TEAM, COACH, PARENTS AND GIRLFRIEND AND HE WAS DEAD AN HOUR LATER .

HE FOUND A GUN AND HE KILLED HIMSELF .

AND IT TURNS OUT THAT IT WASN'T A YOUNG GIRL BUT TWO MEN WHO HAD TAKEN THIS, CREATED THIS PROFILE AND THIS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED .

FORTUNATELY, ON INSTAGRAM, AND META IS AWARE OF THIS, THEY ARE AWARE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.

BUT HE WAS DEAD WITHIN HOURS OF THIS HAPPENING.

>> SOCIAL MEDIA PROVIDED A PLACE FOR THESE PEOPLE.

USING THIS ACCOUNT TO CONTACT JORDAN AND, BASICALLY , GAVE THEM A SAFE SPACE TO COMMIT A CRIME >> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WENT WRONG THAT NIGHT BUT, ULTIMATELY, INSTAGRAM IS THE REASON IT HAPPENED.

>> RIGHT AFTER THIS STORY ABOUT JORDAN BECAME PUBLIC, METAS MOVED 70,000 ACCOUNTS LINKED TO SEXTORTION.

.

>> IS WIDESPREAD.

AND REALLY, THE POINT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE, THE BIG TECH COMPANIES, THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE BAD KIDS, EDGE KITS, THESE ARE PARENTS WHO ARE NOT KEEPING A WATCHFUL EYE ON YOUR KIDS.

WE ARE HERE TO SAY THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

THIS IS ANOTHER PAGE OUT OF THE OPIOID PLAYBOOK, OUT OF THE TOBACCO PLAYBOOK.

THIS IS HAPPENING WIDESPREAD .

AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE AWARE OF BUT THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

>> YOU HAVE SEEN THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PATTERNS, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW IT IS THAT SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES ARE SERVING UP THIS?

WHAT IS PREFERENCE, SO TO SPEAK, AND THE ALGORITHM TO DECIDE TO ALLOW EITHER DIRECT MESSAGES TO SUGGEST THAT TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE FOLLOWED, ET CETERA?

>> THEY DO THAT BECAUSE THEIR PROFIT MODEL IS BASED ON MAXIMIZING ENGAGEMENT.

THE MORE TIME THAT A CHILD SPENDS ONLINE, THE MORE ADVERTISING THEY CAN PUT IN FRONT OF THEIR FACE.

SO THEY FOCUS ON SHOWING KIDS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE BUT WHAT THEY CANNOT LOOK AWAY FROM AND THAT IS WHY THE DOCUMENTARY IS ENTITLED THAT.

AND FROM A STANDPOINT OF NEUROPSYCHOLOGY, CONTENT THAT IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY DISTURBING IS MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN CONTENT THAT IS BENIGN.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY DO IS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY OF YOUNG PEOPLE, ADOLESCENTS WHO CRAVE THE ADORATION OF THEIR FRIENDS AND SO, THROUGH THIS GAME OF VOCATION, THROUGH THE LIKE FEATURE OR THROUGH SNAP STREAKS, THEY CREATE A SITUATION SO THE KIDS MEASURE THEIR SELF-ESTEEM BASED ON HOW MANY LIKES THEY GET ON A POSTING OR BASED ON WHAT THEIR SNAP SCORE IS OR HOW LONG THERE SNAP STREAKS ARE AND THIS IS NOT AN ACCIDENT OR A COINCIDENCE, THIS IS A DELIBERATE DESIGN DECISION THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE UNDEVELOPED NATURE OF THE ADOLESCENT BRAIN AND THE IMMATURE NATURE OF OF THE ADOLESCENT PSYCHE .

AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, KIDS ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE WORST PSYCHOLOGICAL CRISIS THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN MANY YEARS .

>> IN RESPONSE TO THE FILM, META IS THE COMPANY CHARGING FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM.

SAYING WE KNOW PARENTS ARE HAVING UNSAFE OR EVENTS ONLINE.

THESE TEENAGE ACCOUNTS PROVIDE BUILT-IN PROTECTIONS TO AUTOMATICALLY LIMIT WHO IS CONTACTING AND TEENS UNDER 16 NEED PARENTS PERMISSION TO CHANGE THOSE SETTINGS.

ALSO, WE ARE GIVING PARENTS MORE WAYS TO SAVE WHO THEIR TEENAGERS ARE CHATTING WITH AND BLOCK THEM FROM USING THE APP FOR MORE THAN 15 MINUTES A DAY OR FOR CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME.

DOES THAT WORK?

>> IT IS A START AND I WILL SAY THE ONLY REASON THEY MADE THESE CHANGES WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GOING AFTER THEM FOR 2.

5 YEARS IN COURTS OF LAW .

THIS IS EVIDENCE TO ME OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS ESSENTIAL.

I SAY IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BUT IT IS STILL A BABY STEP.

AS LONG AS KIDS ARE ABLE TO SELF IDENTIFY BASED ON WHAT THEIR AGE IS, IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD.

META AND THE OTHER PLATFORMS HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO USE ESTIMATED AGE .

WHATEVER THE SELF-REPORTED AGE IS.

AND YET, THEY ARE UNWILLING TO DO THAT SO TO SOME EXTENT, THEY ARE TURNING A BLIND EYE AND USING IT IS A FIG LEAF.

TO ANOTHER EXTENT, THESE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

ANYTHING THAT MAKES THESE PLATFORMS SAFER EVEN IF IT IS A SMALL STEP IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES WILL COME BACK WITH, WE ARE NOT LEGALLY BLIND.

THERE ARE 26 WORDS IN THE BOOK CALLED SECTION 230 SINCE THE MID-90s AND THEY HAVE BEEN SHIELDED , I GUESS, FOR OUR AUDIENCE, WHAT DOES SECTION 230 SAY?

WHERE DO YOU THINK THE LINE SHOULD BE DRAWN?

>> SECTION 230 WAS DRAFTED IN 1996 WHEN NETSCAPE WAS THE LARGEST PLATFORM.

SOCIAL MEDIA DIDN'T EXIST AND MARK ZUCKERBERG WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.

UNFORTUNATELY, AND THE INTERNET WAS IN ITS INFANCY.

AND WHAT IT ESSENTIALLY DOES IS SHILLED COMPANIES FROM LIABILITY FOR POSTING THIRD-PARTY CONTENT ON THEIR PLATFORMS WHICH, BACK THEN, WAS BULLETIN BOARDS.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS BEEN BROADLY ATTRIBUTED .

UNTIL WE STARTED DOING OUR WORK TO SHIELD SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES FROM ANY KIND OF LIABILITY.

IN OTHER WORDS, EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN AMERICA HAS DUTY OF REASONABLE CARE AND OUR POSITION IS THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES SHOULD HAVE THE SAME DUTY THAT ANY OTHER COMPANY HAS, BASICALLY, FOLLOW THE GOLDEN RULE .

WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS FOCUSING ON THE DESIGN OF THE PLATFORM AND SHOWING THAT THESE PRODUCTS ARE DANGEROUS BY DESIGN AND THUS FAR, THESE ARGUMENTS HAVE PERMITTED US TO MOVE FORWARD AND COMMENCE DISCOVERY AND GET THESE CASES READY FOR TRIAL.

BUT, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN AMERICA , AND WE ARE PRO-BUSINESS, PROCAPITALIST, WE JUST WANT SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO FOLLOW THE SAME ROLE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY DOES AND IF IT COMES, IF AN AUTO MANUFACTURER CAN SAVE A FEW MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR BY PUTTING BAD BRAKES ON CARS, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT A SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE COMPANY BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECTED TO LIABILITY.

WE WANT SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO HAVE THE SAME CALCULUS .

WE COULD HAVE AN ENDLESS STREAM SCROLLING MECHANISM .

YEAH, WE WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY BUT WE WOULD INCUR LIABILITY SO WE BETTER NOT DO THAT.

WE JUST WANT THAT SAME FEEDBACK THAT EVERY OTHER RESPONSIBLE COMPANY HAS TWO APPLIED TO SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> YOU WORKED ON THE LITIGATION BEFORE AND YOU SAID THIS IS SIMILAR, EXPLAIN THAT .

>> I THINK IT IS SIMILAR TO ASBESTOS BECAUSE IT IS A UBIQUITOUS PRODUCT.

IT IS SIMILAR TO ASBESTOS THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS JUST AS YOU HAD TWO GENERATIONS OF WORKERS DEVELOP ILLNESS FROM THE EXPOSED ASBESTOS.

YOU HAVE GENERATIONS OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND ENTIRE COHORT SUFFERING ADVERSE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL EFFECTS.

YOU ALSO HAVE IN THE CASE OF ASBESTOS ARRANGES CORPORATE CONDUCT WHERE COMPANIES DO THEIR PRODUCTS WITH HER PEOPLE AND DESIGN THEM ANYWAY.

HERE AS YOU HAVE SEEN FROM THE FACEBOOK PAPERS AND OTHER REVELATIONS THAT THESE COMPANIES KNOW THAT THE PLATFORMS ARE HARMING KIDS AND DELIBERATELY DECIDE TO KEEP MAKING THEM.

AND FINALLY YOU HAVE SOME CREATIVE LEGAL ENTERPRISE AND SOME CREATIVE LEGAL INNOVATIONS THAT HAVE PROVIDED A PATHWAY FOR RECOVERY SO WE THINK IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO ASBESTOS.

I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS AFTER SPENDING 25 YEARS IN ASBESTOS COMPANIES AND HAVING SPENT THREE YEARS SUING SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES, THE CORPORATE MISCONDUCT OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES MAKES THE ASBESTOS COMPANIES LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF CHOIRBOYS .

>> ONE OF THE CHARACTERS IN YOUR FIELD IS A WOMAN NAMED AMY WHOSE SON DIED OF AN OVERDOSE AFTER TAKING A PILL HE ALLEGEDLY BOUGHT ON SNAPCHAT.

CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER AND WHAT PERMISSION IS NOW?

>> AS YOU KNOW SO WELL, OUR STORIES ARE ONLY OR CAN ONLY BE BROUGHT TO LIFE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THESE TERRIBLE HARMS AND ARE WILLING AND BRAVE ENOUGH TO SHARE THEIR STORIES AND AMY IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, HER MISSION JUST IN SHORT, HER SON ALEXANDER BOUGHT A PILL ONLINE AND IT WAS LACED WITH FENTANYL AND HE OVERDOSED.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID , SHE KIDS SHOULDN'T BUY DRUGS ONLINE AND WE ALL HOPE THAT OUR KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO BUY DRUGS ONLINE BUT THEY ARE ALSO KIDS AND THEY EXPERIMENT AND THE QUESTION THAT I ALWAYS LIKE TO RAISE IS, DO THEY DESERVE TO DIE?

BECAUSE THEY MADE A MISTAKE?

AND BOUGHT DRUGS ONLINE?

>> WE HAVE ALL OF THE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE AND YET, WE STILL ENDED UP HERE.

>> WE SEE KIDS ARE PARTYING AND TAKING DRUGS AND THAT IS WHERE THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING BUT ALEX DIED RIGHT DOWN THE HALLWAY FROM ME.

YOU THINK YOUR KIDS ARE SAFE AND IT IS NOT THE TIMES THAT WE ARE LIVING IN ANYMORE.

WE GIVE THESE KIDS SMART PHONES AND ABS AND IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF DROPPING THEM OFF IN THE WORST NEIGHBORHOOD INSANE GOOD LUCK, I'LL SEE YOU LATER.

>> AND WHAT AMY IS TRYING TO DO IS REALLY POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THESE KIDS AND THAT PARENTS NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THESE PLATFORMS, THAT DRUG DEALERS ARE COMING OUT AND SEEKING KIDS IN A WAY THAT WE ARE NOT USED TO.

IT GETS BACK TO THE TITLE OF THE FILM, "CAN'T LOOK AWAY. "

IT IS WHAT IS BEING SERVED UP TO THEM.

>> THE GLOBAL HEAD OF PLATFORM SAFETY AT SNAP HAD IN PART, WE ARE DEEPLY COMMITTED TO FIGHTING THE EPIDEMIC AND OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO FAMILIES WHO HAVE SUFFERED UNIMAGINABLE LOSSES.

WE HAVE SAFETY TEAMS AND ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY .

WE WORK EXTENSIVELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BRING DEALERS TO JUSTICE AND CONTINUED TO RAISE AWARENESS AND EVOLVE OUR SERVICES TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.

NOW YOU ARE SUING SNAPCHAT FOR A FENTANYL OVERDOSE PURCHASE ON THE PLATFORM AND A JUDGE RULED THAT THE CASE MOVED TOWARD DISCOVERY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE STATEMENT THAT YOU JUST READ WAS FALSE AND SNAPCHAT HAS KNOWN ABOUT THE FENTANYL EPIDEMIC ARISING FROM USE OF ITS PLATFORMS FOR ALMOST 5 YEARS OR OVER FIVE YEARS AND IT HAS DONE LITTLE IF ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SNAPCHAT HAS THWARTED LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SNAPCHAT HAS FAILED TO CRACK DOWN ON DRUG DEALERS THAT IT KNOWS ARE SELLING FENTANYL ON ITS PLATFORM TO THE POINT THAT ONE OF OUR CLIENTS REPORTED A DRUG DEALER WHO HAD SOLD HER SON A FATAL DOSE OF FENTANYL CONTAMINATED DRUGS .

EIGHT MONTHS LATER, THAT SAME DRUG DEALER SOLD ANOTHER CHILD A CONTAMINATED FENTANYL DRUG AND THAT CHILD ALSO DIED SO WHAT THE COURT RULING ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO DO OUR WORK AS LAWYERS AND INVESTIGATORS AND SHOW THAT THE SNAPCHAT HAS ALLOWED ITS PLATFORM TO BE USED AS AN OPEN DRUG MARKET AND LITTLE IF ANYTHING, A MEANINGFUL CURTAILMENT .

>> WHAT DO YOU KNOW OR WANT PARENTS TO DO ABOUT THIS?

>> THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION AND I WISH THERE WAS A BETTER ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BUT, REALLY WHAT WE SEE, PARENTS NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE MORE ENGAGED CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND MAKE SURE THEIR CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THAT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, THAT THEY CAN COME TO THEIR PARENTS.

IF IT IS A SEXTORTION CASE, THE EMBARRASSMENT DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY NEED TO TALK TO A TRUSTED ADULT.

CONVERSATION IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND ADDITIONALLY, THAT THERE BE AS MUCH CONTROL OVER DEVICES AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY HAVE, THERE IS A BIG PUSH AND EVEN TRYING TO DELAY MORE THAN THAT, GETTING SCHOOLS TO REALLY CONTROL AND KEEP THESE DEVICES OUT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

THERE IS NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT THAT PARENTS CAN DO OTHER THAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS TO CONTROL THEIR KIDS USE OF THESE DEVICES BACK THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN SAY IS THAT IT HAS TO BE REGULATED.

THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHERE THE ANSWER WAS.

>> THE DOCUMENTARY IS CALLED CAN'T LOOK AWAY.

>> THANK YOU .

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH .

> >> IT WAS A DAY OF SWEAT, TEARS AND SMILES AT THE LONDON MARATHON YESTERDAY AS A RECORD- BREAKING 56,000 PEOPLE CROSSED THE FINISH LINE.

MANY SUPPORTERS TURNED OUT TO CHEER ON THE RUNNERS IN QUITE EXTRAORDINARY COSTUMES DESPITE IT BEING ONE OF THE HOTTEST MARATHONS ON RECORD FOR LONDON.

IN THE MEANWHILE, THE ETHIOPIAN ATHLETES SHATTERED THE WOMEN'S ONLY WORLD RECORD WINNING THE ELITE WOMEN'S RACE AT JUST UNDER TWO HOURS AND 16 MINUTES.

FULL DISCLOSURE, I WAS ACTUALLY AMONG THE CROWD OF RUNNERS IN LONDON.

I CAN CONFIRM THAT IT WAS CERTAINLY HOT AND I CAME IN WAY OVER AN HOUR AND I DID NOT LOOK AS HAPPY.

THAT IS A FAKE SMILE THAT YOU ARE SEEING RIGHT THERE BUT IT WAS FUN AND I LOVED RUNNING THROUGH NEW YORK AND THE CROWDS WERE INCREDIBLE.

AND THAT IS IT FOR OUR PROGRAM, TONIGHT.

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