>> Cathy: I LOVE SHELETTA.

LAST WEEK, THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INDEPENDENT MONITOR PRESENTED ITS MULTI-YEAR PLAN FOR POLICE REFORM.

AMONG THE 87-PAGE DOCUMENT ARE PLANS FOR BODY CAMERA AUDITS, RETRAINING, AND OFFICER WELLNESS.

ALSO THIS THURSDAY, THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN EXTENSION ON SHOTSPOTTER, TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN UNDER SCRUTINY FOR ITS EFFECTIVENESS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IT OCCUPIES.

YOHURU WILLIAMS IS BACK HERE WITH US.

HE'S A UNIVERSITY OF ST. THOMAS HISTORIAN, DIRECTOR OF THE SCHOOL'S RACIAL JUSTICE INITIATIVE.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

WHAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU WITH THIS REPORT HERE FROM THE INDEPENDENT MONITORS?

THE PLAN?

>> COUPLE OF THINGS.

FOUR YEARS, THREE PHASES, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.

SO IN THE BEGINNING, THEY OUTLINE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE CLEAR, FEASIBLE, SUSTAINABLE, AND COMMUNICATE THIS TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT METRICS ARE EXPECTED AND SOMEWHAT OF A TIMELINE, ALTHOUGH THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE THIS COULD GO WELL BEYOND FOUR YEARS.

BUT THEY'RE GIVING PEOPLE SOME IDEA ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT AS THEY IMPLEMENT THIS PROCESS.

>> Eric: WHAT IS A CULTURE OF ACCOUNTABILITY?

>> VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, AND YOU SEE THAT IN THAT FOUNDATIONS, THAT FIRST STAGE.

SO HOW DO YOU CREATE A CULTURE WITHIN THE THE DEPARTMENT THAT'S ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE?

PART OF THAT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, CLEARING THIS BACKLOG IN OLD COMPLAINTS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY AND OTHER ISSUES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

TRAINING, USE OF FORCE GUIDELINES, BODYCAM POLICIES, SO THAT YOU CAN INSTILL A SENSE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS, BUT ALSO GIVE OFFICERS A CLEAR IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE NEW STANDARDS ARE AND THAT'S GOING TO ALSO INCLUDE UPDATING SUPERVISORS ON THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AND COMMUNICATING THAT CULTURE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> Cathy: IS IT CLEAR TO YOU THAT THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES IF BENCHMARKS AREN'T MET?

>> ELL, YOU WOULD HOPE SO AND I THINK SO GIVEN THE EXPERIENCE IN OTHER CITIES.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING HERE IS HOW THIS PLAYS OUT, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE CLIMATE RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND SOME OF THE HIGH PROFILE SHOOTINGS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY, WHETHER THE PUBLIC HAS THE STOMACH FOR THE REFORM.

>> Eric: THERE WAS ONE THOUGHT THAT THERE SHOULD BE INCENTIVES TO OFFICERS WHO DEESCALATE SITUATIONS.

WOULD THAT BE A NEW APPROACH?

>> NEW FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IMPORTANT.

AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO KIND OF ESTABLISH IN PRINCIPLE THIS IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT AS MERITORIOUS, OFFICERS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN DE-ESCALATION PRACTICES.

THAT'S A FAR CRY FROM WHAT WE HAD IN THE PAST WHERE WHAT REALLY GOT YOU RECOGNITION IS IF YOU WERE A THUMPER.

WHICH WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS WEEK, K KIM POTTER WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THAT INFAMOUS KILLING OF DAUNT YE WRIGHT.

THREE WAS A TRAINING SCHEDULED BUT HEY CANCELED THAT BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR OTHERS WAYS TO DEALS WITH HESE KIND OF ENCOUNTERS INSTEAD F RESORTING THEIR FIREARMS.

>> Cathy: SO DO YOU OPE TO HEAR FROM HER SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE?

THEY CANCELED THAT ONE IN SEATTLE.

AND I'M BETHING THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO SOME OF THESE WORKSHOPS ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.

>> AGAIN, TWO MINDS HERE.

THE FAMILY HAS MADE THE ACE THAT THEY THINK SHE SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AT ALL.

I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THE HISTORY OF BRINGING BEFORE YOUNG OFFICERS AND VETERAN OFFICERS ALIKE, USE OF FORCE EXPERTS WHO ARE OLD SCHOOL IN THEIR APPROACH, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS PERSPECTIVE FROM KIM POTTER, WHO, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVED INFAMY FOR THIS HORRIBLE MISTAKE.

BUT THE REALITY IS, I THINK HER VOICE IS NECESSARY IN THAT CONVERSATION.

SHE SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED YOUNG AND MORE VEASH OFFICERS AND I'M WONDERING, UNDER THE TERMS OF THE PLAN, I WONDER HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT IN THE CULTURE CHANGE, YOU KNOW?

I WONDER HOW THE MAYBE MORE VETERAN OFFICERS WILL ACCEPT THIS.

>> IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE SUPERVISORS AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH IN THAT FIRST PHASE, THAT FIRST TWO YEARS AROUND REALLY GETTING THE SUPERVISORS TO APPRECIATE THEIR NEW ROLE IN ESTABLISHING THAT CULTURE OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE SANCTIONS FOR OFFICERS WHO VIOLATE USE OF FORCE POLICY, WHO VIOLATE THE ENGAGEMENT OF BODYCAMS AND OTHER THINGS THAT CREATE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY IN TERMS F MET RIBLGS.

>> Eric: LOOKING AT THIS WORK PRODUCT SO FAR, WHAT'S YOUR LEVEL OF OPTIMISM?

>> GUARDEDLY OPTIMISTIC.

I SHARE THE CONCERNS OF ACTIVISTS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SAY WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

BUT I'M ALSO OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE I LIKE WHAT I'VE SEEN COMING OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT TO THIS POINT IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE PREWORK THAT'S BEEN DONE.

>> Eric: IS THE CURRENT CHIEF THE GUY TO BRING IT HOME?

>> I STILL HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONFIDENCE IN CHIEF O'HARA.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK MINNEAPOLIS CITIZENS SHOULD READ THIS REPORT.

IT'S 88 PAGES.

I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, WE OWE IT ON TO OUR COMMUNITY TO E DEEPLY ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.

>> Cathy: THERE'S A TIME FRAME FOR THIS OBVIOUSLY.

CAN IT GO BEYOND THE FOUR YEARS?

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WHEN SAW THE FOUR YEARS, THEY SAID, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, IS THIS THE TIMELINE?

IT CAN GO BEYOND THE FOUR YEARS.

THEY HAVE O EACH 95% COMPLIANCE.

THAT FOURTH YEAR IS WHEN THEY BEGIN THAT PROCESS OF DETERMINING WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT IS COMPLIANT.

THAT COULD GO BEYOND FOUR YEARS AND THEY REEVALUATE THESE EFFORTS IN MARCH OF 2026.

>> Eric: THANKS