>> ERIC: IT'S BEEN ANOTHER ACTION-PACKED WEEK IN POLITICS AS WE INCH CLOSER TO THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

EARLY VOTING BEGAN TODAY IN MINNESOTA, AND BOTH PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS HAVE BEEN MAKING THE ROUNDS IN BATTLEGROUND STATES.

JOINING US NOW TO DISSECT IT ALL IS DAVID SCHULTZ.

HE SHAPES YOUNG MINDS OVER AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND IS AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT ST. THOMAS.

THE POST-DEBATE, THE NEEDLE HASN'T MOVED MUCH, HAS IT?

>> IT HASN'T MOVED VERY MUCH.

PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING FOR SOME KIND OF A BUMP, IT DIDN'T OCCUR.

PEOPLE ARE SO FIXED IN THOSE VIEWS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE POLARIZATION.

AND SECOND, GOING INTO THE DEBATE, WE HAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE CRITICAL SWING STATES NO MORE THAN 2 TO 2.5% OF THE POPULATION IS SAYING THEY'RE UNDECIDED.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEEDLE TO REALLY MOVE.

AND ON TOP OF WHICH, I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE BOTH OF CAMPAIGNS ARE PITCHING TO THEIR BASES, THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDECIDED, IF THEY EALLY ARE UNDECIDED.

THEY'RE SENT RISKS, THEY DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO HEAR.

>> Cathy: WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO A PERSON WHO'S IN THE UNDECIDED MOVEMENT IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

AND SHE'S GOING TO BE ON THE SHOW LATER ON.

THE UNDECIDES ARE NOT GOING TO ENDORSE HARRIS -- THE HARRIS-WALZ TICKETED.

COULD THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL?

I THINK THERE WAS, WHAT, 46,000 PEOPLE IN MINNESOTA WHO VOTED UNDECIDED?

>> PROBABLY NOT IN MINNESOTA.

THE PLACE WHERE I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL IT IS IN MICHIGAN.

WE HAD ABOUT 20%, I THINK IT'S WHAT THE NUMBER WAS, IN MICHIGAN PRIMARY, THAT OPTED NOT TO SUPPORT JOE BIDEN.

AND THAT'S A STATE THAT HAS A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE, PROBABLY THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF ARAB-AMERICANS IN THE COUNTRY.

THE ISSUE OF GAZA, OF THE ISRAELI WAR IS IMPORTANT.

MINNESOTA PROBABLY LESS SO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE POLLS ARE STILL SUGGESTING THAT HARRIS HAS A REASONABLY COMFORTABLE EAD AND EVEN THOUGH TRUMP IS SAYING I'M GOING TO COMPETE HERE, THERE'S NO AD GUY BUYS, THERE'S NO INDICATION.

>> Cathy: AND I MISSPOKE.

IT'S THE UNCOMMITTED.

MY I APOLOGIES.

>> Eric: IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ON BEHALF OF THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN TO MAYBE EXPAND THE MAP.

I'M THINKING TEXAS WHERE CUS IS IN A DOG FIGHT.

FLORIDA, IOWA.

>> POSSIBLY.

YOU SORT OF THINK ABOUT THE CORE SWING STATES ARE MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA, WISCONSIN, MAYBE YOUR SECOND TIER IS ARIZONA AND GEORGIA.

THEN YOU GET INTO SORT OF NORTH CAROLINA.

NAIL YOUR BASE DOWN FIRST.

NAIL THOSE STATES DOWN FIRST.

ONE OF HILLARY CLINTON'S STATES BACK IN 2016 WAS THINKING I'VE GOT THE MIDWESTERN STATES NAILED DOWN.

SHE GOES OFF TO ARIZONA ND TEXAS.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU ARE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WHILE STILL PUTTING YOUR RESOURCES INTO THOSE CORES, BUT YOU NOW WANT TO PUT TRUMP ON THE DEFENSIVE, FIRST CONSIDER NORTH CAROLINA, MAYBE IOWA, PERHAPS, TEXAS STILL I SAY LONG SHOT.

LONG SHOT IN THE SENSE THAT YOU'RE AT A POINT WHERE MAYBE IN FOUR MORE YEARS.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT REMEMBER OR KNOW THIS.

I USED TO TEACH IN TEXAS A LONG TIME AGO.

I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT 2028, MORE COMPETITIVE.

BUT IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AND YOU GOT THE EXTRA RESOURCES, YEAH, MAYBE A TRIP DOWN THERE, MAYBE TO HELP CUS, BUT NOT A PRESIDENTIAL FLIP.

>> Cathy: D DOES IT MATTER ABOUT THE REPEATED CANDIDATE VISITS?

SO HARRIS IS IN WISCONSIN TODAY.

THE CANDIDATES ARE FOLLOWING EACH OTHER.

DO VOTERS LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, EH, OR DOES IT FIRE 'EM UP OR IS IT JUST TOO MUCH SOMETIMES?

>> AT SOME POINT, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT IT'S OVERKILL AT THIS POINT.

IT'S LIKE THINKING ABOUT ADVERTISERS BLASTING ADVERTISING THAT IT'S KIND OF IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE EAR.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S A VERY FAMOUS PHRASE BY TIP O'NEILL THAT SAYS, NEVER TAKE A VOTE FOR GRANTED.

AND THIS IS AN ELECTION WHERE AS YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY BEFORE, IT'S 150,000 TO 200,000 VOTERS ACROSS FIVE OR SIX SWING STATES.

IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY OF REACHING PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO SHOW UP TO VOTE, YES.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE MANY NAMES.

MAYBE YOU CAN SORT OF MOTIVATE A FEW MORE PEOPLE, BUT AT SOME POINT, IT'S A COLD WAR ANALOGY.

IF I DIDN'T SHOW UP TO CAMPAIGN, IS THE OTHER SIDE?

SO AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE STUCK.

THE TWO CANDIDATES ARE STUCK IN THESE FEW NUMBER OF AREAS, CARPET BOMBING WITH ADVERTISING AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW HETHER WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL OR NOT GRATEFUL IN MINNESOTA THAT WE'RE PROBABLY NOT A SWING STATE, BECAUSE IF WE WERE A SWING STATE, IT WOULD BE WALL TO WALL ADVERTISING BETWEEN NOW AROUND NOVEMBER.

>> Eric: THE HAITIANS EATING DOGS AND CATS, WHAT'S -- >> Cathy: WELL, I MEAN, AND J.D.VANCE SAID THEY'RE CREATING STORIES TO GET THE MEDIA ATTENTION ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS.

>> YEAH, IN PART, I THINK, WHAT'S THAT OLD ADAGE?

BETTER BAD POINT OF VIEW BLIBTY THAN NONE WHATSOEVER.

SO ONE THEY'RE STAYING IN THE NEWS, BUT I THINK WITH VANCE AND TRUMP ON THIS ISSUE, THEY'RE ON THE DEFENSIVE.

WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BE IS TAKE SSUES THAT PUT THE OTHER SIDE ON THE DEFENSIVE.

REMEMBER, IT'S DEFINE OR BE DEFINED.

AND RIGHT NORTHERN THE TALK IS ABOUT THEM, WHAT, FABRICATING A STORY.

I ALSO WONDER T THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THE TRUMP BASE HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- I MEAN THIS IN A GOOD SENSE, HOT AND BOTHERED IN TERMS OF EXCITED TO SHOW UP TO VOTE.

THE PROBLEM WAS WITH BIDEN VERSUS TRUMP, DEMOCRATS WEREN'T EXCITED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE TRUMP HAS TO EXCITE PEOPLE.

WHAT HE NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT AT THIS POINT IS CAN HE EXPAND HIS BASE, NOT JUST RELY UPON HIS BASE.

>> Eric: VERY